(09-12-18) Prayer Meeting - The Advent Movement Illustrated - (03pkSTKqhz0)

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you if you don't have a copy of the notes it's just the chapter taken from early writings it's called the Advent movement Illustrated if you were to go into early writings it's um a book that we mentioned in class earlier in the week and what Ellen White does is she takes three books experience and views supplement and spiritual gifts all new one all three books are combined into this combined book called early writings and if you were to go through spiritual gifts you'll see basically the gate great controversy laid out in chronological order and around just over halfway into that book after talking about the dark ages the 1260 she gets to the Miller right history the middle right history is so important she's going to take five chapters to describe that history and when she does that it's not just five chronological chapters what she's gonna do is she's going to explain that history using this repeat and enlarge technique that hopefully in this movement we've become familiar with so I'll read out the titles of the chapters you'll see them there it's William Miller first angels message second angels message the advent movement Illustrated and the last one is another illustration so she's going to tackle this object at least four times over William Miller first the second angels messages that's the second time the advent movement illustrated and then another illustration and the notes that I've given you is the fourth of those chapters called the Advent movement Illustrated I'm not sure how many prayer meetings I'm doing if this is just a one offer if I'm taking them over the next couple of weeks if it's over the next couple of weeks we'll go through this chapter together if not we'll just go as far as we can with this chapter this after this evening sorry yeah okay so I think I've got the next view so what I want us to do is I want us to basically go through each chapter and identify in Miller write history as most of us understand it so before we read the chapter let's lay out the middle write reform line I'm sure we're all familiar with it so familiar that I won't even ask any questions I'll just lay it out and if anybody's got any questions or they're not happy with anything please let me know 1798 1831 sorry 1816 1818 1831 1833 1840 18 44 44 and 3 for April July August and October everything really with all of those states and we all know what they mean sometimes we might do this so this is the time of the end the increase of knowledge sometimes it's marked as a way mark sometimes a swelling or an this increase its escalation 31 to 33 the formalization 1840 the empowerment April 44 the disappointment July 1844 midnight midnight cry and I'll just put October 1844 as a shut door that's how we would normally understand that any questions on that was it pretty straightforward so that's how we would normally draw the middle-right reformer and it's correct when I say normally I'm not trying to make any changes to that but what I want us to do is look at this chapter and see how well my it's going to describe this history and it's if you've not read the chapter before or looked at it closely it may come as a surprise to you some of the imagery that she's going to present to us it's nobody okay with that any questions so we're on early writings page 240 paragraph 1 are there any spare copies or are they all used up just willing to take one spare one I've got the same one but I'm using a different slightly different edited version than you've got thank you to make sure I keep the same pagination as you do early writings 2:40 paragraph one I'll read the paragraph I saw a number of companies that seem to be bound together by cords many in these companies were in total darkness their eyes were directed downward to earth and they seemed to be no connection between them and Jesus but scattered through these different companies were persons whose countenance his looked light and whose eyes were raised to heaven beams of light from Jesus like rays from the Sun were imparted to them an angel bade me look carefully and I saw an angel watching over every one of those who had a ray of light while evil angels surrounded those who were in darkness heard the voice of an angel cry fear God give him glory for the hour of his judgment is come so where would we place this paragraph first paragraph to 40.1 where does it begin it's time to the end so someone says it begins here 240 paragraph 1 anyone else they've really agree with that or anybody disagree it's got to 40.1 first paragraph Lister Alyssa says time at the end anybody disagree with that but it's it'd be straightforward so they're bound together because we're all familiar with the binding oath seems to have some kind of imagery connected to harvest you're not sure where to place the paragraph fear God you go 8:00 to him for the hour of his judgment is come so the first angels message yeah would we play with your play state 1798 time of the end yeah any other thoughts well they're in darkness and the cords I don't think it's the binding-off I think it's just the fact that they're bound by the doctrines and teachings that have preceded so where would you place this at the time of the end all this at the time of the end well the the first one yeah the first paragraph the hold of the paragraph at the time at least it's starting at the time at the end because they're in darkness but then the first angels message comes as well so it's introduced so it's progressing progressing from what point well right from the time of the end and it's just pointing from the time of the end pointing that way so how far along it's from here to here I don't know if it's all the way to there but in some way it's in there somewhere yeah that's what I would say anyone else the James he says beams of light from Jesus like rays from the Sun were imparted to them and it said there was an angel watching over every one of those who had a ray of light and so since we when we look at the millerite timeline the only that had bite that we talked about frequently from time of the end 2:18 1618 is Miller and he's singular and this seems to indicate the world so that's just really what does that mean to the placement of the paragraph well it seemed it seems like it would be later so you want to place this later okay rays of light at that time wolf step maybe wolf oh yeah yeah that's one example anyone else even Ellen White was getting razor-like don't think she was born well no no she wasn't born if not in 17 I'm sorry I'm thinking of the Miller right 1840s Buffett Anya maybe that's where the Angels crying we know that the angel arrives at 78 but I think 40 the chart says 18 coreos she's making this 18:40 dangerous is looking and then the price people the message okay anyone else it's olivine you creamy dairy I can't see everybody cuz we got different some slightly different agree that there were many persons that were deeper easily other than William Leela that can be proven from great controversy chapter 22 where she speaks about wolf and many others who were given rays of light and we Newark off giving us the first angels message and this was even she said that two years are three after William Ella had received his convictions which was 1821 she started we got new the details just tell me where we are so I'm just making the point that I would start yes at the time of the end I'm leaving how far into okay everybody in agreement with we're gonna start the paragraph here yeah okay I saw a number of companies that seem to be bound together by cords many in these companies were in total darkness their eyes were directed downward to earth and they seemed to be no connection between them and Jesus the scattered through these different companies were persons whose countenance his look like and whose eyes were raised to heaven has this angel done anything yet is their angel there yet last part the paragraph says I heard the voice of an angel that ain't you're not doing anything yet agree no angel there yet some people aren't they seem concerned simple question there's no angel there is they just got some people who are in darkness and some people are abound I'll read back I saw a number of companies that seem to be bound together by cords many of these companies were in total darkness so let's just draw that out so it says they seem to be a number of companies that I saw a number of companies that seemed to be bound together by cords many in these companies were in total darkness so what would that look like here's a company and here's another company companies a group of people hopefully we if we will agree with that he says I saw a number of companies that seem to be bound together by cords so all these companies are bound together ok with that so I'll put a cord that comes around all of them and they're bound together by this Court so number of companies that seem to be bound together by cords many of these companies were in total darkness Their Eyes Were directly downward to earth and there seem to be no connection we determine Jesus but scattered through these different companies were persons whose countenance he's look like so in these companies some of them were in darkness but scattered through each of the each of these companies there were individuals not many of them that didn't have that experience I'll take you to question emanate but scatter through these different companies were persons whose countenance he's look like news eyes were raised to heaven beams of light from Jesus like rays from the Sun were imparted to them and angel bade me look carefully and I saw an angel watching over every one of those who had a ray of light while evil angels from our Lido's that were in darkness so there's an angel a good angel over this one and this one but there are evil angels over all the others you okay with that I heard the voice of an angel fear God give glory to him for the hour of his judgment is come so this voice that she hears of this angel is it before or after she sees all of this this is after okay so if we're gonna mark this as 1798 when that angel comes down the last part of the paragraph then I would suggest that the beginning of the paragraph is here in the darkness pre 1798 pre time at the end it's not 1798 onwards it's pre 1798 and the paragraph ends in 1798 not begins there okay so everyone's bound together in these various companies time of darkness before the reform line begins and in this history there are a few people who have some kind of light then it says beams of light from Jesus like rays from the Sun were imparted to them only to those who heard the light before just to make that point an angel baby look carefully so from that moment onward she's gonna look carefully and she saw an angel watching over it over every one of those who had a ray of light so there's a good angel that guards those in the light while evil angels are hovering or dealing with these people that were in darkness so we're we going to place these beams of light from Jesus like rays of the Sun were imparted to those people who were previously having some light then if we could read that they had some light before and now they're going to have beams of light shed upon them can we see that progression if you like or this two steps they had light before now they're gonna have beams of light when the beams of light come she's told to look carefully and then she hears the voice so these paragraph transitions from the period of darkness to the time of the end there's anybody that's any objection to that next paragraph a glorious light then rested down upon these companies to enlighten all who would receive it some of those who were in darkness received the light and rejoiced others resisted the light from heaven saying that it was sent to lead them astray the light passed away from them and they were left in darkness those who would receive the light from Jesus joyfully cherished the increase of precious light which was shed upon them their faces beamed with holy joy while their gaze was directed upward to Jesus with intense interest and their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the angel fear God give glory to him for the hour of his judgment is come as they raised this cry I saw those who are in darkness thrusting them with side and with shoulder then many who cherished the sacred light broke the cords which confined them and stood out separated from those companies as they were doing this men belonging to the different companies and revered by them passed through some with pleasing words and others with wrathful looks and threatening gestures and fastened the cords which were weakening these men were constantly saying God is with us we stand in the light we have the truth I inquired who these men were and was told that they were ministers and leading men who would reject to the light themselves and were unwilling that others should receive it so for me not sure about yourselves the key passage in the first paragraph was the angel says there God give glory to him for the armies judgment is come and you see midway into this paragraph what's happening gets repeated but it's not getting repeated by the same person if you like first time it was an angel and now who is it over Daniel that's right the group of people those who had received the light from Jesus joyfully cherish the increase of precious light which was shed upon them their faces being with holy joy while the gays are directed upward to Jesus with intense interest and their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the angel the God give glory to him for the RV's judgments come so the angel that angel in verse in paragraph 1 is it still stout is it still sounding yeah how do we know how do you know it's still still sounding yeah the ways harmony yeah so it says their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the angel so they're both speaking together where would we mark that brother Daniel 1840 so we've got 1840 here and this is 240 point 2 I'll lead that portion of it are we ok with that everyone so let's go back to the beginning of paragraph' this angel has come down there's this great light that's come glorious light then rested down upon these companies so when this light is resting upon the companies what is who is in those companies people in darkness and people who had that we had like before and the reason this light comes and rest upon the companies is for what purpose says in the first sentence so it says to enlighten all who would receive so what's that telling us who's got the choice everyone everyone is now given the choice if you go back to paragraph one has everybody got a choice there some were in darkness summer in light and then it said beams of light from Jesus like rays from the Sun were imparted to them who is that light in party two in the first paragraph is it in paragraph one only those who had the light before so those who had light before now further light is imparted to them so if you're in darkness you don't even have a choice can we see that so the only people who can receive this angel that's coming down and those who had light in this dispensation in this history so I find that interesting because normally when we talk about the period of darkness we just say everyone's in darkness but this version of Miller right history says that before the time of the end there are certain people who have light and then those who have lie at the time at the end they're going to receive more light so these people are going to receive more light but it's not all lost or hopeless for these people that were in darkness here because from this point onward in this history glorious lights going to rest down upon the companies to enlighten all who would receive it some of those who are in darkness received a light and rejoiced others resisted light from heaven saying that it was sent to lead them astray so those are still the people in darkness people who have the light before they've received the first angels message they're all good now this light is going to be sent on everybody because now the people in doctors going to have another opportunity sorry if their first opportunity he's not another one the first opportunity some accept some reject the light passed away from them and they were left in darkness so what's happened here those people that are in darkness they've rejected that light and the light passes away from them and the left in darkness so what's just happened to them if we want to we want to use that concept of a shut door so they've now rejected first angels message and they're left in total darkness so this is in somewhere between here and here in this history there's this there's where this rejection is happening whether or not it's specifically in 1840 it's in this paragraph is centered around the empowerment of the first angels message the next sentence says those who had received a light from Jesus joyfully cherish the increase of precious light which was shed upon them so we can see here what an increase of knowledge is an increase of light the face is beamed with holy joy while their gaze was directed upward to Jesus with intense interest so their faces have been lit up by the light that Jesus he's shedding upon them and this light is the first angels message and their voices were heard in harmony with the voice of the angel fair god give glory to him for the hour of his judgment is come so they're gonna join their voices in harmony with the angel that had come down so we've got to 1840 hopefully we're all okay with that as they raise this cry I saw those who are in darkness thrusting them with side and shoulder remember they're still bounding companies so what are these companies that they're bound in the churches or what we might call the various denominations so all the people that had had light the received light some who are in darkness who had now accepted this light there still we're bound up in their various denominations and what do we know about one of william miller's who have cornerstone policies that he had he would not call anyone out who had a non-sectarian policy he didn't want a former sect everybody could stay where they were bound in their various companies so I don't know if we want to think about what the implications of that has about our line if you think about what the binding is you're bounding companies and Miller says we're not supposed to pull anybody out of this situation sorry of their church as I say as he said it of their various denominations he said that this message is for everyone you just stay put where you are and just let me accept the message it's all good and that's what we see here in this imagery of being bound up in these companies as they raise this cry I saw those who are in darkness thrusting them with side and shoulder so I don't I'm not trying to make any prophetic application what upside and children's but what's happening here this persecution persecution from from within yeah because the people that you're bound up together with are going to now start persecuting you why because it's said before that it's it's going to say they rejected the lights going to tell you why then many who cherish the sacred light broke the cords which confined them and stood out separated from those companies what's that that separation you see where it says fear gone in in bold as they raise their cry I saw those who are in darkness thrusting them aside the shoulder that's the next sentence then many who cherished the sacred light broke the cause which confined them and stood out separated from those companies so when you read that that sounds really benign doesn't it really nice you bound up in this company they start attacking you just because you've got this message says which says basically repent and be good and so you say well if you're going to do that what we're going to do is we're going to cut the ties cut the cord that binds us with you and we're going to separate want us to see that they didn't get thrown out some want to make us sure that we see that they cut out themselves voluntarily yes no the righteous ones cut the cords themselves no one said that we're going to untie in you leave they're not being told to leave they're being attacked while they're in there to basically shut them up because nobody wants them to leave so they say we've had enough of this attacking so we're gonna cut the cord and we're gonna leave so making sure I pick everything up from here they broke the cause which confined them and stood out separate you from those companies so if you're breaking these cause what is that inferring in their mind if they're going to break the cords they're not coming back when they broke those cords they have no intention to come back and say we don't want it's not it's not a vacation they're going on it's a permanent separation that in their thinking we okay with that okay next sentence as they were doing this men belonging to the different companies and revered by then pass through somewhat pleasing words and other to baffle looks and threatening gestures so we'll stop there who are these men that belong to the different companies that were revered who are poor people that are revered so these were the leadership okay and they're going to use two techniques pleasing words or wrathful looks so flatteries sorry aggression sorry disapproval so they're going to either take you with flattery or with threats they're the two options depending on who you are and then what do they do and then they fasten the cords which were weakened in so the others are breaking the cords I've read that bit again then many who cherish the sacred like broke the cause which confined them and stood out separated from these companies so it talks about breaking the cousin's understanding separate from them but here it says and they're going to fasten the cords which were weakening so the weak the cause aren't actually broken yet they've just been weakened so what is this up above it says they broke the cause but now it says what they want what these men want to do is fasten the cause which were weakened in so here if if you've got weakling cause they're not quite broken so there's there's a bit of a discrepancy there sorry could it be that there are those who broke loose and others would see to go with them but then so the cars were wheat lean on some well another broken loose and they tightened with their own those yeah so what is this tightening of the cords what would that mean carnies we're bus so the use of influence to keep them in the group so that we you said yes so they're gonna get these chords which have got loose and they're gonna say before anyone else escapes let's get back this cord and tie it up so no one can escape from us yeah and the two techniques they're gonna use flattery and threats these men were constantly saying God is with us we stand in the light we have the truth so these are the leaders or the how does it say what kind of men are these yes oh yeah the men that were revered these revered men they've got three answers God is with us not with these people we stand in the light they're not in the light we have the truth they don't have the truth now just go through each one of those points we just read who's in the light and if people who have left who's got the truth people who have left the truth is the first ages message you've got this light coming down and says God is with us and they're in total darkness and he said Jesus has been shining light on the others so you've got three out-and-out lies a question is did actually believe that or not they do self-deluded strong delusion okay well this means they were they deluded themselves but they yep I think someone said self delusion they deluded themselves okay yes yes good observation now I sort of highlight and not making any inference about anything I'm just reading straight out the spirit prophecy and this is Miller right history not our history where as I'm reading that I've seen a lot of smiles from people like hold on like ways he trying to say it and I'm not trying to say anything I'm just reading this as written but it stands out so clearly about what's happening yeah is you're trying to see I think it is what it is many have experienced yes I inquired who these men were and was told that they were ministers and leading men who had rejected the light themselves and were unwilling that others should receive it so the night blindness they're not it's not an accident they saw this light they had an opportunity of accepting it they hear the message they themselves were unwilling to receive this light this message and then so they rejected it themselves no not on with their rejection still and they don't want anyone else to receive it either why would then they want everybody else to receive it sorry money anyone else a higher motive than money this there's two base power and influence a bit of much less base than money well as you said that was Miller 8 history I was going to see each time you talk to anyone about the first email message where do you return your tithes what about your tight tight tight tight I've never heard anyone say well who is your elder and what authority does he have over you it's always what about your money any comments so what I've done is I've put it here eight 1840 it begins back here so I'm going to put two 40.1 here and to 40.2 because you want to pick up 42 the work of the enemies people are leaving their thrusting them they're attacking them and we're at least up to here yeah so we'll stop here at the end of this paragraph convenient place to stop we've still got a couple of more minutes and I wanted to give us and it's not long to give people the opportunity if they've got any prayer requests